S in gradebook

Hi Kathy Hannon‍ - is this is the case that is really awful! The teacher absolutely does not need to know if a student marked the assignment completed on their end. This just creates a lot of clutter in the grade book. 


I chatted with support about it this morning and they told me it was a defect since the assignment didn't have an online submission. 

Angie Addison‍ - is this expected or a defect?

Kathy Hannon:

Hi Bryan - well support just sent me this idea in the idea bank --- https://blackbaudk12.ideas.aha.io/ideas/K12OC-I-2423  so it looks like the change was by design

My teachers are also very confused today. If the S indicator is for the student's benefit, the teachers shouldn't even see that on their side of the assignment. I also voted!

Kathy Hannon‍, where did you find that statement regarding the online submissions? I knew I'd read it, but I can't find it anymore. I even looked through every hot fix/release notes from the newsletter.

Hi all, sorry for the frustration and confusion. We will be addressing this asap, hang tight. If we add display options where teachers can turn it on/off for online, non-online and assessments in gradebook will that appease? 

Thank you Inger A Cierniak‍! We had best intentions for efficiency here. The thought was that, since students can mark their non-online assignments 'completed' already today that it would be helpful to the teachers to see that indicator on those because it would be a visual cue that the student believed they had completed the work so as you said had emailed it, or otherwise. And so if the teacher hadn't received it would be a prompt for follow up. And since we had done it for online submissions and assessments we were attempting to close the loop with consistency there. We will address asap.

Ok, I definitely hear you. Again apologies for the upset we are going to correct asap. Best intentions on being consistent and efficient but clearly we missed the mark on that part. Hang tight we'll get something in the works asap. 

The S is only helpful if it provides really useful information to a teacher.  Teachers do not want their grade books cluttered with unnecessary information.  It is an interesting idea for the S to show up when work has been submitted to the online dropbox. I can see why this is helpful!  But it doesn't apply to integrations like Turnitin which is also an allowable dropbox. Nothing driven by an optional student action such as choosing to mark an assignment as complete should show up in a teacher's grade book.  It is simply not helpful.   If some people want it then please give us a way to turn it off.  It is unnecessary and really irritating teachers.  Thanks!

I agree I heard from teachers yesterday.  They were really frustrated as this is our last week and we are trying to communicate with students what is missing.  I love the S for online submissions but some students use complete to show their parents they are done with work.  Now an assignment that the teacher decided not to give can't be removed because a student marked complete even though she never sent the work.

Angie Addison:

We will be rolling back the submitted status on the student completed ones in the upcoming release and then in our next sprint take up adding settings so that teachers can elect which they see the submitted status on (online assignments, student completed, assessments). 

Hi all, thank you for all the feedback. We responded as quickly as we could and rolled back the submitted status showing up for assignments that students marked completed this afternoon. Please if you are still seeing the 's' icon on those assignments let me know. We've read all the comments here and spoken to several schools today on what the right path forward should be and it was determined that schools still find the 's' icon on online assignments and assessments helpful so those remain. We will however also be moving forward with teacher control in gradebook display options for whether the 's' shows up on assignments at all, and taking that up in our next sprint so it will be out soon. Hopefully the removal of the status on student marked completed assignments in the interim is well received. Thanks again.

Quite welcome Kathy Hannon‍  thanks for your patience!

Sheila Long‍,


Thank you for publicly complimenting Angie's responsiveness in the Community. I have given her an internal company Badge that she and her leaders will see your kind words.


Blackbaud Community Team

Elizabeth

I have been working with Blackbaud products for close to 15 years, and I have never seen as rapid response to a "non-critical" issue as what you accomplished today. Incredibly impressive. You have established a high bar for the organization. Well done and thank you.


Scott

Yes, agree with:

Only teachers should be able to mark "Submitted" to indicate they received an assignment (by email, Flipgrid, etc) IF the assignment is not submitted to onCampus.

S should automatically appear if a student made an electronic submission to the assignment.


 

I did have faculty appreciative of seeing the submission status with the S.  (Also glad that the student control of this "S" was rolled back.)


The main question from many faculty was that the submission status did not appear to work with Turnitin assignments.  Because Turnitin provides the plagiarism protection, our teachers use that integration for most assignments, so they were not able to benefit from the "S" submission status.  Is there a way to make that feature work with Turnitin as well?